Needle in a hay stack

Needle in a hay stack

Postby PadawanLotto » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:30 pm

Like winning numbers, last digits by position rarely repeat, for example the last draw of the FL Fantasy 5 the last digits were 5,6,5,2,5. If you load a full package and go to filters, positional, First/Last digit, set the filter to last digit and place a check next to each last digit drawn by position and choose accept, Ok. The first surprising thing that you will notice is that there are only 6 possible combinations for that positional last digit combination. Now if you click on filters, winning numbers, choose all past drawings and match 5 reject you find that only 1 of the 6 combinations has ever been drawn.

I have tested quite a few past drawn positional last digits for the 5/36 and 5/39 and found that the resulting combinations are either 1, 6, 21. I looked at a 6/49 and found that the max combinations are 210 per positional last digits.

It may be nice to be able to filter out past drawn positional last digits like filtering out match winning numbers.
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby PadawanLotto » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:40 am

Ok, what is unique about these number combinations?

1 8 18 25 27
4 14 17 20 29
6 9 17 21 27
6 16 26 28 33
10 15 22 23 33
10 18 25 33 35

Ok, now what is unique about these number combinations?
1 9 13 30 32
2 3 4 11 30
2 12 17 21 36
3 4 23 25 30
3 7 10 26 36
4 7 18 23 27
5 6 15 22 35
7 15 19 23 24
11 16 18 22 30
I'll give you all a few days to work it out.
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby Elpidio » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:45 am

Pandawan, the unique characteristic of the two groups is that in the first group their is a last digit that is repeated 2 to 3 times. While in the second group the last digit repeats twice or none. Elpidio
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby PadawanLotto » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:56 pm

Elpidio wrote:Pandawan, the unique characteristic of the two groups is that in the first group their is a last digit that is repeated 2 to 3 times. While in the second group the last digit repeats twice or none. Elpidio

Nice, you're on the right track by looking at the last digits but there is something more.
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby PadawanLotto » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:54 pm

PadawanLotto wrote:Ok, what is unique about these number combinations?

1 8 18 25 27
4 14 17 20 29
6 9 17 21 27
6 16 26 28 33
10 15 22 23 33
10 18 25 33 35

Ok, now what is unique about these number combinations?
1 9 13 30 32
2 3 4 11 30
2 12 17 21 36
3 4 23 25 30
3 7 10 26 36
4 7 18 23 27
5 6 15 22 35
7 15 19 23 24
11 16 18 22 30
I'll give you all a few days to work it out.

Ok, I'll tell you all what the difference is because I would like to see a filter built around the idea. The first set of combinations looking at the last digit combinations there is only 1 possible full number combination possible for each. In other words the last digit combinations of 18857, 44709, 69717, 66683, 05233, and 08535 if you load a full package for a 5/36 and choose filter, positional, first/last digits, last digits, place a check in the digit box P1=1, P2=8, P3=8, P4=5, P5=7 choose accept and ok, you will be left with one combination out of 376,992 possible combinations.

The second set of numbers that I listed, their last digit combinations only have 6 possible full number combinations, you can test these out the same way.

What I would like to see filter wise is a last digit filter similar to the Match Winning Numbers but, it would be Match Winning Last Digits. You would be able to remove full number combinations based on last digit combinations that have already been drawn.

Also, I would like to see a last digit filter that would in able you to find all of the last digit combinations that only produce 1 full number combination and find all of the last digit combinations that produce only 6 full number combinations and all of the last digit combinations that produce only 21 full number combinations.

Last digit combinations are like drawn numbers and rarely repeat and if they do it's usually year or more between repeats and the ones that do repeat are from the last digit combinations that produce 21 full number combinations.

Based on the fact that there are last digit combinations that produce either 1, 6, or 21 full number combinations and I left out that there are last digit combinations that produce no full number combinations, this means that there are fewer last digit combinations then there are total possible combinations in the lottery game.

I think a filter like this would add a very powerful tool to the Expert Lotto System.

Thanks
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby stan » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:36 pm

PadawanLotto wrote:I would like to see a filter built around the idea


please do enter this kind of filter/feature requests here: http://expertlotto.com/issues/
although i read all the posts here it's hard to keep track of feature request threads
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby PadawanLotto » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:17 pm

stan wrote:please do enter this kind of filter/feature requests here: http://expertlotto.com/issues/
although i read all the posts here it's hard to keep track of feature request threads

I went there and couldn't figure out how to post anything there.
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby stan » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:56 pm

PadawanLotto wrote:
stan wrote:please do enter this kind of filter/feature requests here: http://expertlotto.com/issues/
although i read all the posts here it's hard to keep track of feature request threads

I went there and couldn't figure out how to post anything there.

first create a new account here: http://expertlotto.com/issues/signup_page.php
then log in and 'report issue' here: http://expertlotto.com/issues/bug_report_page.php
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby Mirel » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:18 pm

Not necessarily a new filter for what he Padawan here ! Complex filter , statistical filter and some dexterity make it easy these things !
I have a proposal to add a new way of working for EL 5.
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby PadawanLotto » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:56 pm

Mirel wrote:Not necessarily a new filter for what he Padawan here ! Complex filter , statistical filter and some dexterity make it easy these things !
I have a proposal to add a new way of working for EL 5.
The last digit combinations would have to be looked at as a whole 65943 and not as p1=6, p2=5, p3=9, p4=4, p5=3. If you do it positionally then you loose other combinations that you want to keep.
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby Mirel » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:11 pm

I found a method to solve all particular cases of this kind. .I will present the following days.
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby Mirel » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:27 pm

PadawanLotto wrote:
Mirel wrote:Not necessarily a new filter for what he Padawan here ! Complex filter , statistical filter and some dexterity make it easy these things !
I have a proposal to add a new way of working for EL 5.
The last digit combinations would have to be looked at as a whole 65943 and not as p1=6, p2=5, p3=9, p4=4, p5=3. If you do it positionally then you loose other combinations that you want to keep.


Exactly!My method made of several parts a whole !!
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby PadawanLotto » Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:57 pm

Mirel wrote:
PadawanLotto wrote:
Mirel wrote:Not necessarily a new filter for what he Padawan here ! Complex filter , statistical filter and some dexterity make it easy these things !
I have a proposal to add a new way of working for EL 5.
The last digit combinations would have to be looked at as a whole 65943 and not as p1=6, p2=5, p3=9, p4=4, p5=3. If you do it positionally then you loose other combinations that you want to keep.


Exactly!My method made of several parts a whole !!
Hey Mirel, how's that complex filter coming along? It's not so easy, I think we are already finding some limitations.
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby shuelala » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:08 am

What is the best way to filter down to 16 or less ticket from 50,000 tickets from 6/49, lets say jackpot is still there after go throught everything from EL tips. I try Unique number, it so fast to filter down go through 0-11 but the point is how to predict unique number (from lastest, avg, or strength), I use simulation 6-8 must pass update left over packet full range, but still left me 6-7000 tickets, I tried segment calculator to filtering, still cannot find a best way to get it down 16 tickets jackpot still there. is there very technical procedure to filter down..or everyone here just merely make prediction on his own to narrow down? help please! Thanks!
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Re: Needle in a hay stack

Postby shuelala » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:36 am

Hi stan,

I am sure I am still not fully understand EL, I believe for faster learning EL, a EL version 5.x should add a template to let more knowledgeable users to upload their templates for compound filters or group filter or complex filters, then average users can download and review their methods to learn more. if possible, can you add a upload like plugins board here, to let users upload their templates, lets users exchange their methods to optimize the best way for each others.... do you think so?
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