Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby edymurph » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:59 pm

Thank you D1 Magnet, for the study.
I have not had much time to analyze yet, but I think I understood more or less.
See the figure below, the values ​​for the draw 1822
Position 8 = 452
Position 9 = 565
Position 10 = 397
Note that I put the numbers under the positions, high, low and close, just to show if the positions are correct.
For positions 8 and 10 the forecasts were accurate, only for the 9 that gave a minimal difference.
Now tell me...
My question now is:
On which side should you choose forecasts?
What column of red would be the best?
Thank you....
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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby D1Magnet » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:54 am

Hi edymurph, thank you for your reply.

I see you’re using the last 4 numbers to determine high-low range

Position 8

On position 8 the high should be 457 as it was the highest of the last 4 numbers, low should be 430 and close is 443 which is the latest figure

High 457, Low 430, Close 443 (457 is the high of the last 3 numbers (also the last 4 numbers))

Using those numbers the Fibonacci R1 is 453.6473, the Camarilla R3.5 is 452.9 they average 453, which is 1 off the answer of 452.

As to which columns are the best to use, it would be nice if there was a perfect answer to this! :D

Sometimes a high – low range of about 10-15 may give better results (as larger or smaller ranges may or may not give accurate results). So you can look at the last 2 or 3 or 4 numbers and experiment with the answers, eg you may try and make your high-low range around 10-15 and see if you get better answers. (Close will always be the latest number)

So you may get this sized range from the last 2 numbers, the last 3 or the last 4. Sometimes this may not be possible with the answers eg if the high- low was about 20 or 30, or very small like 5, these numbers may or may not give the best answers

As to which column to choose, you have to make an educated guess as to where it is likely to go (after you’ve guessed the direction). You may see if 1 column such as Floor R1 is 456.666, Camarilla R4 is 457.85, as the 2 numbers seem close you may choose 457 as your prediction for example.

Or on the expanded customized calculations box, Fibonacci R1 is 453.6473, Camarilla R3.5 is 452.9, you may choose 453 as your prediction (and this was close but off by 1 as the answer was 452)

High 443, Low 430, Close 443 (443 is the high of the last 2 numbers)

But to try this again with High 443, Low 430 , Close being the latest of 443, in the main pivot points used box, Floor R1 was 451.6667, Fibonacci R3 was 451.6667, rounding up to 452. The answer was 452 for game 1822 at position 8.

This is a much better example where the high- low range was between 10-15 (it was actually 13) and the 2 numbers aligned the same and the answer hit this level.

Also on this same calculation, Camarilla R3 was 446.575, Fibonacci R2 was 446.7007, Floor R1 was 447.333. These 3 calculations averaged around 447 which wasn’t the correct answer. The 3 of them approximated 447, however Floor R1 and Fibonacci R3 were both exactly the same at 451.6667 and the answer ended up being 452.

So you have to make an educated guess as to which number to use, in this case the 2 that were exact were the answer, but that may or may not always be the case each game.



Going through the other two positions from your screenshots

Position 10

On position 10 High should be 425, Low 395 and Close is 425

(out of the last 4 numbers the Low could be: last 2 numbers 406, last 3 numbers 397, last 4 numbers 395)

On you screenshot using the last 4 numbers 395 would be the low

High 425, Low 395, Close 425 (answer 397)

Using these numbers in the main pivots box, Fibonacci S2 is 396.46, there are no other levels that come near this number. Fibonacci S3 and Floor S2 both give 385 and this would be the wrong predicted answer. So it is an educated guess as to which level to use

High 425, Low 406 and Close 425

The high- low range is 19 (425-406)
Fibonacci S3 and Floor S2 both give 399.667 and this would be closer (rounded up to 400) but still be the wrong predicted answer.

High 425, Low 397 and Close 425

In the main pivots box Fibonacci S3 and Floor S2 both give 387.667 and this would be the wrong predicted answer. Fibonacci S2 came the closest at 398.627

Position 9

These were the last 4 numbers entered correctly (on the screenshot) with High at 592, Low 571 and Close 576.

High at 592, Low 571 and Close 576. (high – low range is 22)

In the main pivots box both Floor S2 & Fibonacci S3 were 558.667. This would give the wrong predicted answer.

Camarilla S4 was 564.45, Fibonacci S2 was 566.6887, the answer of 565 could be found from approximating an average of these 2 numbers.

However Fibonacci S2 was 566.6887 and Floor S1 was 567.333, these 2 figures would give a predicted figure of 567 which is 2 off the answer of 565.

High at 592, Low 578 and Close 576. (578 is the low of the last 3 numbers)

High - Low range is 14

Both Fibonacci S3 and Floor S3 are 568 which is 3 off the correct answer of 565.

Also in this game the direction prediction failed, as for level 9 if the latest (or close) is below 586, the next number is often higher than the latest. Projecting upward both Fibonacci R3 and Floor R1 were 596, Fibonacci R1 was 587.348 and Floor R1 was 586, and Camarilla R1 was 577.2833, Camarilla R2 was 578.5667. Both Fibonacci R3 and Floor R1 at 596 may have been a prediction, but all of these upward predictions ended up being wrong.


Using High 592, Low 576, Close 576 (576 is the low of the last 2 numbers, high – low range is 16)

Both Floor S2 and Fibonacci S3 found the answer at 565.3333. This is a good example of a high - low range at 16 and the 2 levels being aligned. And this was found from using the last 2 numbers eg 592 and 576

However the upward projection could be Fibonacci R3 & Floor R2 both at 597.333 and this was wrong as the direction failed this game (in reverse the downward projection was 565.333 & was the correct answer)


Also in the Pivot Point Calculations Spreadsheet, in cell Q15, the Camarilla 2 in red should say S 1.5 not R 1.5 (sorry my mistake!) the calculations are still accurate.

Hope this helps

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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby edymurph » Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:05 am

D1Magnet ...
thank you for the explanation.
So you do not really have a pattern to choose from.
You can use 2, 3, 4, 5 past draws and try to predict, but actually if you only use 2 past draws and hit, maybe the next does not work like that.
maybe if you use 3 past draws and hit the next one I will not hit.
It does not really have a default, or which location to choose.
I was thinking here of using those larger numbers. (865.276, 866.362, 867.438 ....) I do not know if it would be better, because these numbers are rising, they do not come back.
Or maybe try to predict the end of each of them, which is also rising.
(276, 362, 438, 502 ...)
I still do not know what's best ... because nothing seems to have a pattern.
Until then ... thank you.
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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby D1Magnet » Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:18 pm

Hi edymurph, thank you for your reply.

edymurph wrote:So you do not really have a pattern to choose from.
You can use 2, 3, 4, 5 past draws and try to predict, but actually if you only use 2 past draws and hit, maybe the next does not work like that.
maybe if you use 3 past draws and hit the next one I will not hit.


You would need to look at some more draws to see how the pivot levels hold up in past & future draws. The previous post was just a detailed guide & case study examples on the draw 1821, on how to approach finding a good pivot level to use.

edymurph wrote:It does not really have a default, or which location to choose.


It is still a subjective analysis in that you have to choose a correct level to use. I would recommend looking at high- low ranges around the size of 10-15, or perhaps 12-16 or 17 and seeing if they give more accurate answers (from back testing it gives an idea of what sized ranges tend to look better). The idea would need back testing over a number of games, in the example above I only looked (in detail) at all the variations on draw 1821, of how you could approach choosing your high- low range (eg from the last 2 or 3 or 4 numbers) and then which pivot to choose as an example. And then I looked at the outcome of what each choice or decision gave. In predicting the next game, you’d choose 1 approach and make a prediction from it’s pivot levels.

From looking at just 1 draw only 1821, it seemed using the last 2 numbers as a high- low range when they were around a 10-16 approximate size, seemed to work well. The next step was then on how to approach choosing a pivot level, which I detailed out in the previous post, (eg you may look at a few levels being very close to each other, or even precisely the same as the level to choose).

As for trying to predict the next unknown number in the series, it would require more back tests, but with pivot levels, it would be an educated guess (unless there is a more concrete or reliable pattern in them after more study). Sometimes they can be quite accurate, and then sometimes just a bit off and to try and get the right answer, you may need to try & use the best high- low range & then select the best pivot level to use.

After the test above on draw 1821, it seemed using the last 2 numbers is good, but if the high- low ranges are small like 5 or large like over 20, you might look at the last 3 or 4 numbers for your high-low range.

Direction Spreadsheet

I did some analysis to see the results of the Step 1 direction prediction over the 1821 draws. With position 8, 9 & 10 combined, some draws all 3 are correct but a lot of the draws only get 2 or maybe 1 out of 3 correct. I attached a screen shot as the file is too big to attach

With the original first post, if you were only looking for a prediction for position 9, the direction idea of above or below 586 (the median figure), seems to work reasonably well predicting a direction for just this level only (although some draws it will fail also)

edymurph wrote:I was thinking here of using those larger numbers. (865.276, 866.362, 867.438 ....) I do not know if it would be better, because these numbers are rising, they do not come back.
Or maybe try to predict the end of each of them, which is also rising.
(276, 362, 438, 502 ...)
I still do not know what's best ... because nothing seems to have a pattern.
Until then ... thank you.


On 1644, the last 3 numbers drop slightly to 598 (but the answer dropped to 986 also, and then after that goes over 1000 again (being 1026)), then the last 3 numbers start to rise again. I see the pattern you’re saying.

With these main numbers rising, as each new game cones in, on the next one, would they be 1641…1651, eg the 1640 figure increasing by 1 each game as the sum level raises each game , eg 3278 sum increases to 3279 sum?

Like how the draw order is (on game 1821) 1821 sum, next game is 1822 sum etc

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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby edymurph » Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:38 am

D1 ...
Thank you for always sharing your knowledge.
I was thinking something, look if you can understand.
Remember numbers (865.275 866.362 867.438 ......)?
If we take the 865276 and add 476 + 476 = 866.228.
Then we'll use 865,276 again and add 588 + 588 = 866,452.
Ready.
Now let's get only the final 3 numbers of each result.
452 ... 228 ... 276.
We will use them this way in HIGH, LOW, CLOSE.
The PIVO number was 318, more or less close to 362.

We can do this with everyone else to see the distance from the real value.

If you do not understand, then I put a print here.

thank you...
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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby mimie » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:10 am

guess this has already flown over my head ....i have to look for a simplier way to try and win a penny or 2... :-(
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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby edymurph » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:48 am

mimie wrote:guess this has already flown over my head ....i have to look for a simplier way to try and win a penny or 2... :-(

:lol: :roll:
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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby D1Magnet » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:03 am

Hi edymurph, you're welcome :D
edymurph wrote:D1 ...
Thank you for always sharing your knowledge.
I was thinking something, look if you can understand.
Remember numbers (865.275 866.362 867.438 ......)?
If we take the 865276 and add 476 + 476 = 866.228.
Then we'll use 865,276 again and add 588 + 588 = 866,452.
Ready.
Now let's get only the final 3 numbers of each result.
452 ... 228 ... 276.
We will use them this way in HIGH, LOW, CLOSE.
The PIVO number was 318, more or less close to 362.

We can do this with everyone else to see the distance from the real value.

If you do not understand, then I put a print here.

thank you...


I tried some pivot calculations on the number series with the last 3 digits that you spoke of ( 276,362,438 etc). Because the high - low ranges are much larger than 10-16, (more like 60,70,80 even 110) the results weren't particularly accurate. even though it appears that the next number is going upward (except on 1644 where it drops down to 598).

The answers from the crazy calculations spreadsheet , 526,543,538,532 etc, this number series seems to work better on the pivots spreadsheet as the high - low ranges are smaller and more likely to give more accurate pivot levels.

With your example of using these numbers to calculate the pivot points,
452 ... 228 ... 276
the pivot of 318 is still 44 away from 362, but yes if you want to put a print example of this, please do so and I'll look more into it.

With these main numbers rising (eg the 860,000ish numbers), as each new game cones in, on the next one, would they be 1641…1651, eg the 1640 figure increasing by 1 each game as the sum level raises each game , eg 3278 sum increases to 3279 sum?

Like how the draw order is (on game 1821) 1821 sum, next game is 1822 sum etc

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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby mimie » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:35 pm

D1Magnet wrote:Hi edymurph, you're welcome :D
edymurph wrote:D1 ...
Thank you for always sharing your knowledge.
I was thinking something, look if you can understand.
Remember numbers (865.275 866.362 867.438 ......)?
If we take the 865276 and add 476 + 476 = 866.228.
Then we'll use 865,276 again and add 588 + 588 = 866,452.
Ready.
Now let's get only the final 3 numbers of each result.
452 ... 228 ... 276.
We will use them this way in HIGH, LOW, CLOSE.
The PIVO number was 318, more or less close to 362.

We can do this with everyone else to see the distance from the real value.

If you do not understand, then I put a print here.

thank you...


I tried some pivot calculations on the number series with the last 3 digits that you spoke of ( 276,362,438 etc). Because the high - low ranges are much larger than 10-16, (more like 60,70,80 even 110) the results weren't particularly accurate. even though it appears that the next number is going upward (except on 1644 where it drops down to 598).

The answers from the crazy calculations spreadsheet , 526,543,538,532 etc, this number series seems to work better on the pivots spreadsheet as the high - low ranges are smaller and more likely to give more accurate pivot levels.

With your example of using these numbers to calculate the pivot points,
452 ... 228 ... 276
the pivot of 318 is still 44 away from 362, but yes if you want to put a print example of this, please do so and I'll look more into it.

With these main numbers rising (eg the 860,000ish numbers), as each new game cones in, on the next one, would they be 1641…1651, eg the 1640 figure increasing by 1 each game as the sum level raises each game , eg 3278 sum increases to 3279 sum?

Like how the draw order is (on game 1821) 1821 sum, next game is 1822 sum etc

Thanks


Hey D
after re reading I finally got the concept ...my question is do these files that calculate Fibonacci etc work on any lottery or just lottofacil I want to do some back testing to see the accuracy with the 6/44 I have
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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby edymurph » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:25 pm

Just the picture of what I'm talking about.
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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby D1Magnet » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:29 pm

Hi mimie, yes, you can try these pivot point calculations on any lottery you’d like. After working with them, you’ll get a feel for the best high – low ranges that seem better.

Hi edymurph

Thank you for attaching the example of 452 ... 228 ... 276 using the pivots. On this example I noticed the 1644 answer is getting smaller at 58, the others then seem to be about 20, 30, 40 away from the answer.

I noticed something dividing the 860,000 ish number by the 1600 ish number. At 1 decimal place in Excel it seemed to be increasing by 0.3 or 0.4 each time. Then I noticed that full accuracy is found at 4 decimal places (it would have been nice at 1 decimal place!). At 2 decimal places you could get close to the 860,000 ish answer, 5 out of the 10 answers got quite close using + 0.33 on the number before.

I’ve attached a spreadsheet on these calculations. Also with these calculations, pivot points could be tried at 3 decimal places on them (eg using the number series: 340, 334, 326, 354, 278 etc), some of them seemed to get close to the Floor R3 or S3 pivot (see the sheet “3 decimal place”)

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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby edymurph » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:32 pm

Hi D1Magnet.
Thanks for the calculations ... but I think these values ​​approximate using the (0,33) because of (approximation value of 9)
I'm going to make a spreadsheet with these values ​​so you know what I'm talking about.
Then see the image below ...

Previous subject.
I do not know if you noticed, but every number I found was using 3 different numbers in each step.
Ex.
452-228-276 found 318
I used 452 and 228 which is the distance between 476 and 588.
Example.
865276 is the last number I have, and I want to find out what the next one will be .... (866362)
I'll get the
865276 + 476 + 476 = 866228
After...
865276 + 588 + 588 = 866452

So I use the spreadsheet numbers 452-228-276 and I get 318 on the pivot.
In the next calculation I already use other numbers, you understand?

See in the picture the percentage of 9 in which I speak. (32,154,395)
I think that's why the values ​​of (0.33) you said seem to approximate the real values.
Notice in my worksheet that the values ​​of (32,154,395) used almost always repeat the first 2 numbers.
Almost gives to predict the 3 middle numbers.
Still can not find a pattern in the last 3.
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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby D1Magnet » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:24 pm

Hi edymurph, I tried some pivot calculations using the number series: 340, 334, 326, 354, 278 on the spreadsheet, “500 series pivot”, with the Floor Pivot calculations column.

Some of the pivot answers got close to the 860,000ish answers. What I noticed was that if the pivot difference was 4, the actual answer difference was 5.9 (for example).

Basically on the actual answer, the difference expands out further, than what the difference was for the decimal prediction (from the pivot calculations)

So the decimal predictions can change the 860,000 ish answer quite a bit if they are not precise to at least 4 decimal places.

On the spreadsheet I was trying 3 decimal places as they seemed good numbers to try pivot calculations on. I also tried 4 decimal places to see if there was more accuracy, but it seemed to have only a little more accuracy.

Also they had different variations of the Floor pivot giving the results, rather than just one consistant level tested over the 10 answers.


Pivot Calculations on 3 digit series


I also tried some more calculations, this time using the high and low numbers you created (which was a good idea for testing this 3 digit number series :D )
865276 + 476 + 476 = 866228
After...
865276 + 588 + 588 = 866452

Thank you for posting the screenshots of this number series (and your difference spreadsheet), I do understand where these numbers are coming from (you can see the calculations in the spreadsheet I've attached)

I also created a number series with the median figure of 532 to test against.

On the attached spreadsheet “3 digit pivot calculations” you can see the variations I tested against such as the Pivot, Camarilla R4, Floor R1 & R3.

The series 452,276,276 540,362,362 etc against the pivot had some closer results to the answer, though some were still out also from the actual answer.

I also created an O,H,L,C series within the spreadsheet, that can be typed in at the Baby Pips Pivot Point Calculator website. Some of these answers were interesting against the Demark pivot point (that can be found on this website)

With the approximation value of Position 9:

(32,154,395) used almost always repeat the first 2 numbers.
Almost gives to predict the 3 middle numbers.

I see what you mean about (32) first 2 numbers. Yes trying to predict the middle (154) to last (395) numbers would be good. I tried this on the “oranges example” spreadsheet I posted originally by trying to find a median figure in it, but it was only finding about 1/10 correct.

And yes, this could be showing up in the + 0.33 calculations I tested on the “500 series pivot” spreadsheet I’ve attached

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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby edymurph » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:50 pm

Thanks D1Magnet ...
I understood your calculations, but one thing I say ...
It's hard to find a pattern in all these calculations we're making.
It seems that in the end, we do not leave the place, but I do not give up.

I'll send you a spreadsheet where the values ​​are very close to the values ​​of your (500 pivot series)
I've attached the values ​​in it just to make the comparison, then you can delete it.

But we go ahead with the calculations, who knows what we get?
Thank you.

I did an inverse calculation to know which numbers should be placed in the values ​​(CLOSE) to get the exact values.
One can see that the difference between them is always multiplied by 3 ... look at it.
Now ... how to figure out these numbers to multiply by 3? :( :( :(
Another problem....
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Re: Unbelievable ... how to hit a jackpot.

Postby D1Magnet » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:14 pm

Hi edymurph, thank you for sending the calculations sheet that was close to the 500 pivot series sheet, as well as the one on rare and false values.

With the rare and false values sheet, that was really clever how you found that the difference from the pivot answer to the actual answer was multiplied by 3 (the inverse calculations), to find the correct value to use in close on the pivots sheet. :D

I did some calculations on that number series (that you multiply by 3) in the pivot sheet to try and approximate that number series (44, 33, 21 etc). It seemed to be subtracting, or adding, 17 or 18 (even 12 & 13) off the original number, and input that with the original number into the pivots calculation.

You can see this on the spreadsheet I've attached.

Also on that spreadsheet, I found that if you add about 1.46, 1.47, 1.48 to the original starting 1640 number, it comes close to the 860,000 ish answer number.

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