It works!

[ameriken]

And another good night with the WNH function. Got a package of almost 1260 tickets that had 4-4/5's, 50-3/5's and a whole ****load of 2/5's. Had I bet the entire $1260 I would have gotten it back plus another $300.

I filtered it down to 21 tickets, and ended up with 2-3/5's and some 2/5's for a net win of about $25.

FTR, I also tried a couple of times with the pattern matching, one package gave me 43 tickets which had 2 3/5's, and none in the other package. The package with the 43 tickets I used 100 draws for the filtering, the other package I think was 1000.

I am absolutely confident now that it is extremely possible, if not probable to make the right predictiopns and end up with the jackpot ticket using the history sums. When that happens, I hope I have the money to buy all the tickets or that I am lucky enough to have included it after filtering them down into a playable package.

[LottoTrout]

Stan i have been using wnh for a while and 4 out of 10 getting my $ back ,the program seems to be having prob getting beyond that point or if it does vary rarely of course, in order to do this, you have to break say a 50 ticket package down with other filters hope we can break the ceiling on this.

[ameriken]

OK, here's tonites Cash 5, a 5/32.

This 1st set is from my own WNH sums predictions. I had a package of well over 900 numbers, filtered them down and finally picked these final 25.

2 7 17 21 31
2 10 18 21 31
2 16 21 22 31
3 7 16 22 32
3 10 24 31 32
3 13 22 24 28
3 16 18 22 24
3 18 22 24 28
3 21 24 28 31
4 7 18 20 26
6 7 20 24 28
6 10 13 24 28
7 10 13 17 28
7 10 13 21 32
7 10 26 28 32
7 12 21 22 31
7 16 22 26 28
10 12 13 21 22
10 12 13 22 32
10 13 16 22 32
10 13 24 31 32
10 16 24 28 31
11 12 18 24 31
11 12 24 28 31
12 22 24 28 31

This next set is from the pattern matching predictions, all draws. All 11 levels gave me a package of 18, so I unchecked level 10, and got a package of 54 tix. Then I filtered them down and chose these 15:

1 13 18 25 28
5 9 28 31 32
7 8 13 18 32
7 9 13 18 28
7 9 13 28 32
7 9 16 18 32
7 11 15 18 25
7 13 18 25 28
7 16 18 25 28
8 13 18 29 32
9 13 14 28 32
9 13 18 19 28
9 13 18 28 32
11 13 18 29 32
13 18 19 25 28

This set is for Lotto, a 6/42. I did 2 different WNH predictions, this turned out to be the larger package of the 2, over 11oo tix. I filtered it down to these 25.

1 3 26 28 32 37
1 12 26 28 32 37
2 3 26 28 32 41
2 13 15 22 28 32
3 6 12 17 32 36
3 7 15 21 28 34
3 9 12 20 35 36
3 12 20 26 28 33
3 13 20 26 28 32
3 15 25 28 29 32
5 13 15 16 28 32
6 7 13 32 35 36
7 8 9 16 33 38
7 9 11 12 28 41
7 12 13 26 28 33
7 12 21 29 31 34
7 13 20 26 29 33
7 14 16 26 28 37
7 16 25 28 31 32
8 11 13 16 29 31
8 21 22 26 29 31
9 12 16 20 28 41
12 13 20 26 28 33
12 15 25 28 32 33
13 20 22 26 28 33

So, we'll see if I can keep my little lucky streak going.

[ameriken]

Stan i have been using wnh for a while and 4 out of 10 getting my $ back ,the program seems to be having prob getting beyond that point or if it does vary rarely of course, in order to do this, you have to break say a 50 ticket package down with other filters hope we can break the ceiling on this.

LT, are you doing your own predictions or are you using the pattern matching in the development build?

[ameriken]

OK, here's tonites Cash 5, a 5/32.

This 1st set is from my own WNH sums predictions. I had a package of well over 900 numbers, filtered them down and finally picked these final 25.

2 7 17 21 31
2 10 18 21 31
2 16 21 22 31
3 7 16 22 32
3 10 24 31 32
3 13 22 24 28
3 16 18 22 24
3 18 22 24 28
3 21 24 28 31
4 7 18 20 26
6 7 20 24 28
6 10 13 24 28
7 10 13 17 28
7 10 13 21 32
7 10 26 28 32
7 12 21 22 31
7 16 22 26 28
10 12 13 21 22
10 12 13 22 32
10 13 16 22 32
10 13 24 31 32
10 16 24 28 31
11 12 18 24 31
11 12 24 28 31
12 22 24 28 31

This next set is from the pattern matching predictions, all draws. All 11 levels gave me a package of 18, so I unchecked level 10, and got a package of 54 tix. Then I filtered them down and chose these 15:

1 13 18 25 28
5 9 28 31 32
7 8 13 18 32
7 9 13 18 28
7 9 13 28 32
7 9 16 18 32
7 11 15 18 25
7 13 18 25 28
7 16 18 25 28
8 13 18 29 32
9 13 14 28 32
9 13 18 19 28
9 13 18 28 32
11 13 18 29 32
13 18 19 25 28

This set is for Lotto, a 6/42. I did 2 different WNH predictions, this turned out to be the larger package of the 2, over 11oo tix. I filtered it down to these 25.

1 3 26 28 32 37
1 12 26 28 32 37
2 3 26 28 32 41
2 13 15 22 28 32
3 6 12 17 32 36
3 7 15 21 28 34
3 9 12 20 35 36
3 12 20 26 28 33
3 13 20 26 28 32
3 15 25 28 29 32
5 13 15 16 28 32
6 7 13 32 35 36
7 8 9 16 33 38
7 9 11 12 28 41
7 12 13 26 28 33
7 12 21 29 31 34
7 13 20 26 29 33
7 14 16 26 28 37
7 16 25 28 31 32
8 11 13 16 29 31
8 21 22 26 29 31
9 12 16 20 28 41
12 13 20 26 28 33
12 15 25 28 32 33
13 20 22 26 28 33

So, we'll see if I can keep my little lucky streak going.

I missed tonite. A couple of 3/6's in Lotto, and a few 2/5's in Cash 5. Even the larger packages did not have much in there, maybe 15 3/5's in the Cash 5 package. Oh well, back to the drawing board to debrief and see where I was off on my estimates and then try again tomorrow.

Cash 5: 1, 5, 21, 26, 31
Lotto: 3, 9, 19, 25, 28, 34

[ameriken]

For Sunday nite Cash 5, two sets of my own predictions (two different WNH predictions). Both packages started out with several hundred numbers. I filtered down odd/even, high-low, sums, etc. and finally got these down to a final 50, 25 from each package.

1st set:

1 9 11 22 27
1 10 17 19 28
2 10 17 19 28
3 5 11 22 29
3 8 11 28 29
4 8 20 28 29
4 9 19 20 27
4 19 20 28 29
5 8 18 20 29
5 9 10 19 28
5 9 18 20 28
5 10 11 19 25
5 13 20 28 29
7 11 17 19 28
8 10 11 21 25
8 11 21 22 29
9 10 11 19 28
9 11 18 20 21
9 11 20 21 28
9 19 22 27 28
10 11 13 17 19
11 12 17 21 22
11 18 20 21 25
11 20 21 25 28
11 20 21 29 32

2nd set:

1 2 10 25 28
1 4 22 23 31
2 5 20 28 29
2 9 10 19 28
2 9 16 19 26
2 10 11 25 32
2 10 17 21 28
2 12 17 21 22
3 8 10 25 28
3 9 22 26 28
3 11 18 22 25
4 9 10 19 32
5 6 10 18 29
5 6 18 20 29
5 9 12 20 24
5 10 19 25 32
6 10 19 25 28
7 10 12 17 21
8 11 12 25 27
9 11 18 19 26
10 11 12 21 25
10 11 21 22 25
10 12 17 21 22
11 12 21 22 25
12 22 23 26 31

[ameriken]

2 7 16 25 27

Bummer, my first package which had 1600 tickets, had 3 4/5's, and 42 3/5's. Unfortunately, in my filtering process I filtered all of them out and ended up with about 4 2/5's.

It appears that I can make the right predictions and get packages that contain good tickets, but when filtering down to a playable package, I lose the good tickets. This is where I need some luck.

[chezzmaster]

yes youre right! if we can get down to playable lines for ex. max. 50 tix.

[Bobijohn]

Hi ameriken

It appears that you have a good knack for picking trends in the WNH sums. Thank you for posting your efforts and results.

With that said I am taking the liberty of making a few suggestions. Please note that all my comments are based on pick4/35 and 5/37 Lotteries using ELv4.

1). If you have your package down to <1000 tickets you may like to try the "Best Tickets" routine (it is also in ELv5) to filter down to about a hundred tickets. At that level I found it to be quite good. When I tried to go much less than that the success rate seemed to drop dramatically. However
see item 2 below.

2). If you are at, say, 20 - 30 tickets you may then try using the "Optimizer." On numerous occasions this routine magically decided to re-insert a number that had been previously eliminated. What's more, that number was drawn in the next draw!! I had difficulty reproducing these results when I came back to my computer the next day so never wrote this up as a possible "good bug" or, otherwise, in the forum. I believe you will have to use ELv4 for this, and several other routines e.g. "Minimizer" and "Fast minimizer." Look under Filters/Coverage in ELv4.

Stan --> If you are reading this, could you enlighten us as to where these routines stand for incorporation into ELv5? I remember you posting way back when that you were going to try and improve them for ELv5.

3). Lastly, given your approach of developing and using independently analyzed packages, you may find the following thread in the ELv4 Forums called "File Management - Packages" started by Falcon to be interesting and applicable to your research. It is under the main category Jackpot. Using the concepts and methods described will allow you to take very large independently analyzed packages and reduce them substantially very quickly. Here is the link, if it works -->

viewforum.php?f=8

Stan --> again, if you are reading this, I know you said at the time that it was unlikely you would incorporate any of the above in ELv5 due to the Perl libraries. However, please be so kind as to reconsider. - in due course.

Just my thoughts. Trust you may find them helpful.

Good fortune

Bobijohn

[ameriken]

Thanks bobijohn, I appreciate your ideas.

I think I agree with your 100 tickets idea, it seems like less than that and too many good one's get thrown away. If lucky, I might end up with 2 or 3 3/5's, but I quite often filter out the 4/5's.

I do have EL4 as well, so I'll have to go back and check out this optimizer, I don't think I've used that before.

As for 'best tickets', is there are reason why you choose this method, rather than 'random selection' or 'systematic' selection? Do you use the 'best tickets' when you are at the 1000 (or whatever number) or do you try to filter out unlikely odd/even, low high, sums, etc combinations and get the package down to 300 or 400 first?

Thanks again, I am more than open to any other suggestions, the WNH is a great function.

Good luck! Ken

[Bobijohn]

ameriken wrote
As for 'best tickets', is there are reason why you choose this method.....

I believe these routines are coverage based. Think of abbreviated wheels where you get a gaurantee of say 4 numbers are right if all 5 are drawn etc. Concept is to maximize coverage. The help files in ELv4 provide additional info.

Bobijohn

[ameriken]

Well, I don't know if I have enough confidence yet in my predictions to go 100 tix yet, but anyhow, here's another try. Hopefully I can hit tonite, I missed the last 2 draws.

The first set is 15 from the pattern matching predictor in the development build. I went with 1000 draws, matching patterns 10 to 50. It gave me a package of 87 tix, here are 15 of those which is a decent representation of what was in the package (I hope).

1-4-9-25-30
2-4-9-18-30
4-7-9-22-30
4-7-9-22-24
4-8-16-17-29
4-8-9-18-30
4-9-13-17-29
4-9-13-18-22
4-9-13-26-29
4-9-17-18-29
4-9-17-30-31
4-9-22-24-28
4-9-24-25-30
4-9-22-30-32
4-22-24-25-30

This next set are my own predictions. 35 from a package of 440, a more reasonable package to choose from. Actually, 2 lines in here are numbers I normally play in every game, so the other 33 are from the package.

1-4-12-22-23
3-5-7-24-31
3-5-9-22-31
3-5-22-24-31
3-6-11-24-31
3-7-11-24-31
3-7-13-24-31
3-7-24-31-32
3-8-11-16-31
3-11-13-24-31
3-11-16-22-31
3-11-16-24-31
3-11-16-31-32
3-11-22-24-31
3-11-22-26-31
3-11-22-31-32
3-11-24-31-32
4-9-16-19-31
4-12-22-23-26
4-13-16-19-31
4-16-19-22-31
4-16-19-24-31
4-16-19-30-31
5-6-13-19-31
5-6-19-22-31
5-6-19-29-31
6-11-13-19-32
6-11-19-22-26
6-11-19-24-31
6-11-19-24-32

Good luck everyone.

[ameriken]

OK, so 2-6-11-21-29 is the draw. Good news and bad news. The bad news: the tickets I bought only had a handful of 2/5 winners. Also, the pattern matching produced no winners. The good news, my package again had 3- 4/5 winners, 35- 3/5 winners, and 103 2/5 winners, which would be a $1053 win on a $440 investment (had I spent the money).

Again, I had most of the right #'s, but the wrong final package. Even using the 100 'best tickets' filters them all out as well so that all that was les (even at 100 tickets) was 2-3/5's and 22 2/5's.

Either I spend all that money on my packages, or I have to find a better way to filter? Or just a little more luck....

However, it's good to at least be making some good predictions.

[ameriken]

OK, so I am debriefing and I was 2 off...just 2, from a package with a jackpot ticket.

Here were my predictions, followed by the actual:
Lvl Prediction Actual
0.... -4 +16.... +5
1.... -4 +16.... +9
2.... -16 +4.... +2
3.... -4 +16.... -2
4.... -16 +4.... -3
5.... -16 +4.... -6
6.... -16 +4.... +4
7.... -4 +16.... -6
8.... -4 +16.... +10
9.... -16 +4.... -2
10... -16 +4.... +1

All correct: except level 7.

Had I made that prediction by -2 more, I would have had a 487 ticket package that contained the winning number. However, the downside is that it is likely I could have filtered it out. It also won't always be this easy, the sums just happened to show very little movement tonite. Every once in a while you get a couple of sums that are +38 or -27 or something wierd like that.

However, my point is I have given up trying Gail Howard for EL5, because I think this is the only way to get a package with a winning #.

Stan, any suggestions?

[stan]

2). If you are at, say, 20 - 30 tickets you may then try using the "Optimizer." On numerous occasions this routine magically decided to re-insert a number that had been previously eliminated. What's more, that number was drawn in the next draw!! I had difficulty reproducing these results when I came back to my computer the next day so never wrote this up as a possible "good bug" or, otherwise, in the forum. I believe you will have to use ELv4 for this, and several other routines e.g. "Minimizer" and "Fast minimizer." Look under Filters/Coverage in ELv4.

this is most unusual. it may happen if the package doesn't include all pool numbers and/or when you optimize the coverage for smaller count of numbers. in such cases you can swap the numbers on the ticket panel and i can imagine a user error which 'magically' inserts a wrong then. but the algorithm shouldn't change any ticket numbers on its own.

Stan --> If you are reading this, could you enlighten us as to where these routines stand for incorporation into ELv5? I remember you posting way back when that you were going to try and improve them for ELv5.

yes, it's still in the plan. it will be probably added to version 5.2. the next official release (version 5.1) already has a lot of new features i have to document...

Stan --> again, if you are reading this, I know you said at the time that it was unlikely you would incorporate any of the above in ELv5 due to the Perl libraries. However, please be so kind as to reconsider. - in due course.

i guess i could implement that functionality in java. the usage would be limited to smaller ticket files only (due to available free memory) but the processing speed should be comparable. please add new feature request(s).